Aug 07, 2012
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Reblogged from sex-advice-from-jane Originally posted by hippie-skipping
marysquattins:

nopityfitness:

This is wrong.
A) Saying there is a “problem” with teaching any human being self defense is ridiculous. Everyone should know how to defend themselves, man or woman. EVERYONE should know how to deal with any form of attacker. 
B) You can’t just teach a rapist not to rape. It’s not like they don’t know its bad. They are sick twisted and mentally deranged. You can’t just say “hey rape is bad, dont do it” and expect them to say “oh wait, really? I had no idea, I’ll stop that right away”.
C) I think this quote promotes the idea that all women are victims. Like men are tigers who can rape women whenever they want and there is nothing they can do about it. Teach women they can stand up for themselves and kick some ass, it’s only gonna help. 

Russell, you’re right and wrong here.
When you’re talking about the sick, deranged rapists you’re right. The fucked in the head sociopaths aren’t gonna be like “oh hey, now that you teach me rape is harmful, I’m not going to do it.” The sick fucks are always going to be sick fucks, and yes women (and men) should always be aware that these individual exist and take precaution.
However, the “teach men not to rape” thing isn’t simply referring to deranged shits who jump girls in dark allies.
It’s for the regular, non-insane guy actually. The guy who might misguidedly think that pressuring a woman into saying yes counts as consent. The guy who thinks pouring drinks down her throat til she says yes, (or can’t say no) is consent. The guy who thinks anything but a “yes” given without coercion or force is consent.
A girl scared into, intoxicated into, or guilted into saying yes isn’t giving consent but there are a lot of messages that tell men otherwise. One of those messages is the fact that the “Women protect yourselves” idea is so much louder than the “dudes, respect her no matter what” message. That gets twisted in the minds of some people that if a a girl does not adequately “protect herself” then she somehow deserved the rape.
I can tell you, without a doubt, there is no such thing as “adequately protecting yourself” from any man (boyfriend, friend, co-worker, stranger) who is bigger and stronger than me unless he respects my right to say no.
That’s what “teach men not to rape” means.

marysquattins:

nopityfitness:

This is wrong.

A) Saying there is a “problem” with teaching any human being self defense is ridiculous. Everyone should know how to defend themselves, man or woman. EVERYONE should know how to deal with any form of attacker. 

B) You can’t just teach a rapist not to rape. It’s not like they don’t know its bad. They are sick twisted and mentally deranged. You can’t just say “hey rape is bad, dont do it” and expect them to say “oh wait, really? I had no idea, I’ll stop that right away”.

C) I think this quote promotes the idea that all women are victims. Like men are tigers who can rape women whenever they want and there is nothing they can do about it. Teach women they can stand up for themselves and kick some ass, it’s only gonna help. 

Russell, you’re right and wrong here.

When you’re talking about the sick, deranged rapists you’re right. The fucked in the head sociopaths aren’t gonna be like “oh hey, now that you teach me rape is harmful, I’m not going to do it.” The sick fucks are always going to be sick fucks, and yes women (and men) should always be aware that these individual exist and take precaution.

However, the “teach men not to rape” thing isn’t simply referring to deranged shits who jump girls in dark allies.

It’s for the regular, non-insane guy actually. The guy who might misguidedly think that pressuring a woman into saying yes counts as consent. The guy who thinks pouring drinks down her throat til she says yes, (or can’t say no) is consent. The guy who thinks anything but a “yes” given without coercion or force is consent.

A girl scared into, intoxicated into, or guilted into saying yes isn’t giving consent but there are a lot of messages that tell men otherwise. One of those messages is the fact that the “Women protect yourselves” idea is so much louder than the “dudes, respect her no matter what” message. That gets twisted in the minds of some people that if a a girl does not adequately “protect herself” then she somehow deserved the rape.

I can tell you, without a doubt, there is no such thing as “adequately protecting yourself” from any man (boyfriend, friend, co-worker, stranger) who is bigger and stronger than me unless he respects my right to say no.

That’s what “teach men not to rape” means.

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